What can you do with a major in environmental engineering? Like every other parents, my parents also convinced me to opt for CSE during the counselling. Some people sent out 100+ applications, some only a handful. Thanks for the A2A. Maybe not quite literally ��� if you are a philosophy major you may actually know what the term ���existential crisis��� entails and may strongly disagree with that statement ��� but you know what I���m talking about. The way my school works is that there is a core math curriculum that every engineering student must take no matter the major. Keep in mind that a) this is only among those who received a job offer, and b) in Texas, many of the jobs are related to the energy industry, which tends to pay outsized salaries and inflate the statistics somewhat. I think the answer to this question is much more complicated than "no, math is prerequisite for engineering, therefore if you don't like math, don't be an engineer". You might be thinking, it���s logical isn���t it? Don't Major in Engineering!! Besides that you sound like someone far too sure they're on the right side of the dunning effect. You are like a real student who just loves a particular subject without bothering about the marks and all. For the transcript, see https://medgroup.biz/morse This episode is sponsored by Rob Packard and the team at MedicalDeviceAcademy.com. Not everyone can get an internship, just doesn't work out that way. I didn’t do that great as a math major (applied math & statistics), but I finished with a 3.08 GPA (got mostly B’s…university professors graded rather hard as the avg. I've known people who pulled it off, and they were razor sharp students. Production is what matters and the media wants to keep people in the dark about that so they can keep exporting jobs with less protest. Now is probably a great time to go to art school. The difference between chemistry and chemical engineering is basically the production. You want to help the economy and make a difference. For those who did everything our parents told us to do... now what? I would even say it's fantastic. Saying racism doesn't exist yada,. Understand that math is a process and you just have to get good at learning the process. There seems to be little career guidance for engineering students, specifically how to choose a discipline. If you don’t like creating things, or lack an active imagination, than a chemical engineering major probably isn’t for you. A2A I suspect you are considering it for the money, as that is the most common reason to consider those fields. Employers want to see both GPA and work experience. The crazy thing is when new grads are looking for work and it starts to sound like the only way to land a job is to go back to school and get one of those internships. Welcome to the club, the rest of college grads who were told a lie and ended up fucked. Do your research before committing to a major. We create REAL things - we don't just shuffle paperwork. This hurts the people who ultimately design hardware, Electrical Engineers and potentially Computer Engineers. If you're curious, here are mean and median starting salaries at my alma mater (http://www.engr.utexas.edu/ecac/salaries). You don���t necessarily have to hold a Bachelor of Science in engineering to be employed by an engineering company and take part in many of the career benefits engineers enjoy. DON'T!....Jk. If you keep failing at what you do, maybe it isn���t really meant to be for you, plain and simple! Finally, a bit of advice from my personal experience. Engineering was a great major four years ago. Engineering Jobs are disappearing in that technology is moving. As a result, I spent the next few years as an underpaid 1099 worker, supplementing my income with various side gigs (SAT tutoring, yardwork for a wealthy retired attorney). Since launching the nation’s first aeronautical course in 1914, we have helped win the race to the moon, shaped the aviation industry, and advanced national security technologies. Start now! It's a Good Major If You Don't Know What You Want to Do . I watched the first couple of minutes of the video and it's the same stuff we've heaed elsewhere or read here post after post, comment after comment. Thoughts on the video, and engineering in general: Marketability: He's right that different fields of engineering tend to command different salaries, and be more broadly marketable. If you've recently started the college application process and are looking at particular schools, you might have noticed that some schools want you to know your major before you apply. July 17, 2013, 6:00 PM EDT ... technology, engineering and math) can be at a comparative advantage. Our graduates are prepared to work in environmental management for industry, regulatory positions in government and industry, and engineering consulting, as well as research and teaching in higher education. GPA for freshman across all majors for instance is 2.7 but I was not an extremely studious student either) from an OK state school well-known for engineering. At Rice, a third of the kids there were NM scholars, so nobody gave a shit. Machines are being built around computers, no longer do they need so many dumb parts moving around. People are distracted, intentionally, by the media which points to CONSUMPTION as some evidence of economic activity. Engineering was a great major four years ago. Source: Giphy Engineering Life Struggles Before you finally call it quits and give up, ��� But that is like looking at your spending as an indicator of your earnings. Hardware is getting cheaper and software is getting more expensive. That's why tens of thousands of kids enrolled. My boyfriend was a Polisci major and he's working in a field directly related to it, but it took him years to land his job. You want to help the economy and make a difference. I don’t regret being an engineer, but I knew that I would regret it if I stayed as one. Students At Most Colleges Don���t Pick ���Useless��� Majors | ��� You are more interested in things that don’t concern engineering. My husband and I run our firm out of our home office. But this is still not the reason why most women don���t go into tech. Why U.S. Students Don���t Major in Science Cass R. Sunstein. Kids, just major in whatever you want. That can make their choice of undergraduate major matter less, since they will have a chance to earn a more professionally useful degree in graduate school. It's bafflingly to me. If you do, you won’t likely start as an engineer. Technology is a stepping stone for newer technology. Since nearly every class in engineering is graded on a curve, your GPA depends on how well you do relative to your classmates. Caitlin Morse, PMP says you can minor in biomedical Getting in touch with my alma mater I found out that as of graduation more than 40% of the ChemE class were still looking for jobs. I would recommend against these unless you have a particularly strong interest in those fields. Selecting a college major can be a difficult decision but it's not one you have to make on your own. Go to any non-chain coffee shop in Austin, and about half the people there will be unemployed or underemployed aspiring web developers. That's why tens of thousands of kids enrolled. Even gobs of money can���t make up for a job you hate (though it helps). Our commute is a walk across the house. If I want to go for a run at 11 am, I don't have to ask permission. When I left Germany, I knew deep in my heart that it was time for a major change. The economy is cyclical. I have a BS and MS in engineering, plus many years of experience as a structural engineer. I've been there before, and I know it isn't much fun. That's baffling to me. I'm hoping to do more research, either at the graduate level or as a career. "Please don't be my major please don't be my major" - me waiting for the page to load. I don’t think I know an engineer who hasn’t said something to that effect at some point in time (and trust me, I know a lot of them). Try to have one on your résumé. Here are 13 jobs in engineering that don���t require a degree: Programmers. Picking a school: Might be too late for most people on this board, but if you're thinking about doing engineering, I'd recommend going to a state school vs. a prestigious private school for most people. September 2006 edited May 2009 in College Search & Selection. In general, they're better-connected. The environment needs to change, for sure. You Don’t Have to Major in Computer Science to Do It as a Career. Oil happened to be one of the better paying jobs for Chemical engineers. While some educational backgrounds prepare students for a single profession, a degree in this specialization can lead to careers that are as diverse as the many students who choose to enroll in these programs. Yes, internships are important. Field engineering is fun. This guy and his channel are complete bullshit. This concept of will we graduated 100 of major x but there's only .7(x) jobs open OMG!!!!!! Most people in this business really don���t care whether you have a degree, or a diploma, or a certificate, or whatever���and they certainly don���t care where (or if) you went to school. I'm hoping to do more research, either at the graduate level or as a career. BSME graduate here, currently working in consulting. So the engineering ciricle jerk is coming to an end almost as fast as it started. Show me actual data. OK, biz, I have no idea. Lots of people look at the starting salaries for graduates to indicate where demand is. 5. Chemical Engineer, he was doomed due to external factors before he even graduate. Take Challenging Math and Science Classes Majoring in math, nuclear engineering, or even geology can lead to a well-paying software job. That's a major constant economic drain. ChemE is marketed as a very flexible engineering degree, there just isn't demand for that many engineers. Even gobs of money can’t make up for a job you hate (though it helps). You can't graduate with a 2.0 GPA and zero internships and expect a job. Far less office politics and it is nice to have a positive direct impact on the customer. Engineering isn't as lucrative as it once was because we are moving towards a more computerized society. I had three semesters of quality internship and co-op experience upon graduating, but my GPA was subpar, and I happened to graduate right after the 2008 stock market crash. Smaller universities usually have some kind of career center, too, but they don't usually have the same level of activity. Now, theres not much work for electricians, so I'm doing house renos, side work, and small business stuff until things pick up. What sucks is that I can't afford to burn out, it's my final year and 18 credits, dropping a course will delay my graduation :(. Don't just talk about “moon shots,” do the real thing — and aim even further (think: Mars). You can’t be an engineer when all along what bursts your bubble are in culture and the arts. Deemed by Forbes to be one of the “ Highest Paying, Low-Stress STEM Job You Probably Haven’t Considered ,” biomedical engineers apply engineering principles to biology and medicine, usually for health care purposes. If there���s anything that I���ve learned during my two-and-almost-a-half years in the Hopkins bubble, it���s that Hopkins is quite literally the place of existential crisis. Even in the best of job markets, there will always be some people who struggle for reasons linked to their individual circumstances. The oil jobs dried up. After having to experience three or more years of studying engineering and holding several internships, even having relative success in both, it doesn’t seem like you have actually learned anything to become an engineer. Electrical and mechanical seem to be the most widely applicable, and command decent salaries. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://www.naceweb.org/job-market/compensation/top-paid-class-of-2017-engineering-bachelors-masters-grads/, https://www.asee.org/papers-and-publications/publications/college-profiles/15EngineeringbytheNumbersPart1.pdf, https://www.bls.gov/ooh/architecture-and-engineering/chemical-engineers.htm. Your GPA and SAT don���t tell the full admissions story Our chancing engine factors in extracurricular activities, demographics, and other holistic details. Well I���m here to tell you, DON���T GIVE UP just yet. What You Need to Know About Becoming an Engineering Major | ��� For me, I'm decent at Math but I'm not a genius, being that I am a Pre-engineering Major. Your 3.5 at Generic State might be a 2.5 at MIT, and most engineering employers care a lot more about your GPA than your alma mater. Individual testimonies like this do not mean much. It is a good sign for a budding engineer to be able to learn by asking and not just figuring it out on your own. Well, Some Types of Engineering - ��� 1. Yup. He gives garbage advice on just about everything. Why U.S. Students Don’t Major in Science Cass R. Sunstein. If you don���t like creating things, or lack an active imagination, than a chemical engineering major probably isn���t for you. How do you choose an engineering discipline? Don’t squander your short four years of college staring at some code that won’t compile. The world is not currently under attack from killer robots, and you don’t have a crazy ship or a crack team of gun-toting martial artists. If you're not sure, go enroll in a local college undecided. I think you've just gotta go with the flow and work where you can, and constantly search for opportunities to make money. If everyone was in STEM fields, society would rapidly collapse. When I decided to go into Comp Sci it was a very bad time for the industry. Oil Crashed and people are trying to move to new forms of fuel. If you feel like you are too smart for engineering to say that asking questions is unnecessary, that���s an ego problem. I'm doing OK now, but I'm a few years behind where I hoped to be in my career and savings because I failed to keep a better GPA. On the flip side, I had friends who had really good GPAs who had no internship experience, and they struggled to find work as well. The economy is dead in the US. ChemE looks good in this regard with currently the highest starting salaries out there for engineering graduates. An engineering degree is an investment that can take your career in many directions. Though I have never felt completely lost, I would like to give you my point of view because my current work is not exactly the traditional path a mechanical engineer would follow. We���ll let you know what your chances are at your dream schools ��� and how to improve your chances! 5 min reading time. But What If I Don���t Want to Be An Engineer? A2A I suspect you are considering it for the money, as that is the most common reason to consider those fields. At the same time, the number of people working in the field has been, and is projected to be, essentially stable. Depending on where you are located the premiums are pretty good too. I don't want to discourage you but being BAD in one area could potentially mess you up in the long run. Fuck. So, hopefully that helps someone out there. If you’re certain that you want to pursue a career in engineering, you don’t have to wait until college to start preparing. I posted in r/engineeringstudents asking how many applications they had to send out to get an internships. July 17, ... technology, engineering and math) ... and those who don���t start in science are unlikely to switch to it. Anybody who tells a 18 year old what the best major is today for whatever job market will exist four years from now is full of it. Here's why: They're less competitive. There are a number of threads seeking advice on engineering, so its time to post a warning about engineering for those who ��� Differents domains mean different job markets. Actually it's good that you don't know. NACE is the main source for salary data. Yeah i hate him and he also tries to race bait. Read this! Take our assessment to help determine what you should major in. There are some people who can endure a job they don’t like, or juggle between a mundane job and the things they love in their spare time, but I’m not one of them. Double Majors at MIT: Some Students Don't Settle for a Single ��� There's one well known video however that completely degrades engineering, so in this video I debunk it and all the reasons that he says engineering is a bad choice. If you are good at science and math but aren't sure what you want to do with your life, engineering is a safe starting major. You don’t necessarily have to hold a Bachelor of Science in engineering to be employed by an engineering company and take part in many of the career benefits engineers enjoy. My boyfriend was a Polisci major and he's working in a field directly related to it, but it took him years to land his job. DON'T Major In Engineering. We all have one class where it seems like the professor is out to get us, or where we just don't understand the material. Mechanical Engineers are getting the raw end of the stick. Your GPA and SAT don’t tell the full admissions story ... both Princeton and Columbia have a liberal arts college and a school of engineering and applied science. Then there is further math within the course work of the specific major. All engineering isn't computers, some of it was the stuff that predated computers. Keep reading for steps you can take in high school to prepare for a successful engineering career — and for acceptance to a top college with a strong engineering program. I’m not telling every engineer they should drop out of their degree program. More importantly, many of those job postings let you send your application directly to a recruiter, bypassing the automated systems that usually just send your resume into a black hole. marleys_ghost 37 replies 3 threads Junior Member. This guy probably followed your advice. Lots of people have in fact which is why the number of ChemE BS graduates has doubled in the past 10 years and the class of 2015 had 9,000 - see page 37 https://www.asee.org/papers-and-publications/publications/college-profiles/15EngineeringbytheNumbersPart1.pdf. "Please don't be my major please don't be my major" - me waiting for the page to load. Architectural, biomedical, civil, and aerospace are more niche degrees, but without the PE or ChemE salary premium. Caitlin says, Many who are excited about going into medical device or other life science companies go after a biomedical engineering degree. DON'T Major in Engineering | Well Some Types of Engineering | ��� Here are 13 jobs in engineering that don’t require a degree: Programmers. | Olin College A lot of these people are trying to jump on the gold rush , only to find out the gold is very rare and the only people making money here are the people selling the shovels. In addition to that, you also have to have a solid GPA, since many companies have an arbitrary cutoff of 3.0. Engineering. My son is a second year, undergraduate mechanical engineering student. If this is true, I���d recommend looking at something else. Large state universities usually have big career centers and career fairs, with lots of employers posting jobs. Individual testimonies like this do not mean much. Press J to jump to the feed. At UT Austin, you would get several thousand a year just for the NMF status. So, in reality, there really isn't an engineering major "with the least math" at my school. You���ll automatically be considered for Direct to College admission to the College of Engineering. They are usually only set in response to actions made by you which amount to a request for services, such as setting your privacy preferences, logging in or filling in forms. BLS has this data https://www.bls.gov/ooh/architecture-and-engineering/chemical-engineers.htm Projecting an average of 60 new jobs a year over the next decade. You will not be Tank from The Matrix if you major in computer engineering. Individual industries go through their own cycles as well. You don’t have to write code if you don’t want to. Graduating in Engineering? Environmental engineering major careers and jobs. Not only that but again all hardware is pretty much getting cheaper. But this is still not the reason why most women don’t go into tech. Don’t choose your major based solely on a romanticized image. Biomedical engineering (BME) is a multidisciplinary field that combines engineering and biology. Honestly, whatever isn't being hyped up in the media today will probably be the best degree to hold four years. Regardless of what it says on your degree - General, ECE, MechE, Bio/MatSci, it’s ok if you take a different path. This is apparently not too unusual and may represent an improvement over previous years. You don’t have to become a PM and work on technical products. Show me actual data. Don't Major in Engineering - Well Some Types of Engineering - ��� Now there's a glut of engineers, go figure. Everybody told me that the good times were over. The amount of added steps that zoom and covid has added to doing anything from assignments to hw has now really starting to take a toll on me now. I'm not so sure about this enthusiasm for web development as a career, though. The difference between chemistry and chemical engineering is basically the production. I'm a girl and a proud mechanical engineer. Anybody who tells a 18 year old what the best major is today for whatever job market will exist four years from now is full of it. These cookies are necessary for the website to function and cannot be switched off in our systems. Classes required for a program in petroleum engineering can include properties of petroleum fluids, energy and the environment, reservoir geomechanics, calculus, geology, chemistry, physics, and petrophysics. Yes, engineering is still a lucrative, in demand major. Or at some schools, even if you don't have to know your major, you have to apply to a specific undergraduate college such as Engineering, Nursing, or Arts and Sciences. Welp, don't know why 1 month in and already so fucking burned out. 02 Don't major in biomedical engineering (Caitlin Morse) by The ��� 4 And even when they don’t … Find out the truth about how the major you select can change acceptance rates. There are plenty of excellent jobs in non-STEM fields. en.wikipedia.org 3. Feel free to PM me if you're trying to dig yourself out of a career rut, and I'll help you if I can. For many people, such as me, engineering can be a fulfilling and enjoyable major, allowing you to hone your skills and learn from experts in a variety of technological studies. Edit: Kidding aside, I'm glad you are doing well. DEC, the darling of the previous 15 years was well on its way to going under. IBM was laying off thousands. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the lostgeneration community. You can't beat out 30% of the people you graduated with? Video I debunk:\"Don't Major in Engineering - Well Some Types of Engineering\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILDox...Jake's video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF-3WFXzk04Another good one:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubg8BtkPU3A-----------------------------------Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wissam.seif/Email: firstname.lastname@example.org 02 Don't major in biomedical engineering (Caitlin Morse) Caitlin Morse, PMP advises aspiring medical device engineers: Don't major in biomedical engineering. They're cheaper. Internships: He's right that you almost have to have internships to get a job. Yes, employers hire based on ranking in your class and not based on a myriad other factors like if they were frat buddies or something. You’ve learned how to think like an engineer, and how to … You are more interested in things that don���t concern engineering. Why in the world did I ever decide to major in engineering — am I a masochist or do I just hate myself? Very roughly, I'd say that petroleum and chemical tend to command the highest salaries, but jobs aren't as widely available. At UMass Amherst, Sturdevant Rees points out another reason women don't study engineering: Women just don't see that many women engineers. I think the answer to this question is much more complicated than "no, math is prerequisite for engineering, therefore if you don't like math, don't be an engineer". https://www.naceweb.org/job-market/compensation/top-paid-class-of-2017-engineering-bachelors-masters-grads/ A high school senior is going to see this slick salary presentation and it will say ChemE is a great choice. Med and Biz are rather unlike engineering, aptitude and interest-wise. No, not all engineering degrees are worth the same. I also give some advice on how to select an engineering major because it kinda does matter. Fuck. Now there's a glut of engineers, go figure. Perhaps this is the ultimate determining factor that you do not really fit in engineering. A common question asked by aspiring recording engineers and music producer is, ���Do I need an audio engineering degree to get a job in the music industry?��� The short answer is, no, you don���t. My son is a second year, undergraduate mechanical engineering student. We all know how student loans can fuck you over, but something a lot of prospective students don't think about is the availability of scholarships. Those people will have extremely different views on the current job market. It's easier to switch from a rigorous college major to an easier one, plus many of the courses required for engineering are transferable to other disciplines. Caitlin Morse, PMP says you can minor in biomedical engineering, but – for your sake – don’t major in it. Edit: Kidding aside, I'm glad you are doing well. I hate the bootstraps thing cause it's not fair to people that always try to make the right career moves, but sometimes it's less about doing what you think you should, and more about trying to do what you can, and overestimating that. Even with all that said, though, the engineers from my graduating class have done better overall than the liberal arts majors I've known. I see you're taking a sampling of different disciplines. Don't Major in Engineering - Well Some Types of Engineering : ��� If this is true, I’d recommend looking at something else. Don���t confuse Computer Science with Software Engineering ��� CODE If you���re interested in an engineering degree other than computer engineering, select any engineering major (or engineering undeclared), as your first-choice major on your application. State schools are generally less competitive, so it's easier to stand out among the crowd. Getting dead set on landing a job that is applicable to your education may leave you financially disappointed. But by the time I graduated a new boom was underway (which would eventually culminate with the dotcom bust). Med schools generally don't compensate for major. IIRC, when I was in undergrad, you would get a free ride at U of Houston if you were a National Merit finalist. Our windows overlook beautiful woods. In this engineering major, students learn all about the extraction and production of oil and natural gas. en.wikipedia.org 3. I did electrical engineering, couldn't find work, so I finished my apprenticeship as an electrician. Scary stuff. Not only was the base price higher, but you didn't get as much of a discount. Nope.